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Your Grandfather
03-06-2009, 01:31 PM
It looks like the pot debate just got real. As the nation faces its worst economic crisis in generations, a California Assemblyman has introduced a trailblazing bill to tax and regulate marijuana like alcohol. Hard on the heels of Michael Phelps’ nationally-resonant bong demo, the Assemblyman's gesture is a whole lot more intentional than Phelps' bong hit. One hopes it will stir the long-overdue national examination of the financial and human price that we pay for criminalizing pot.

The most widely used illicit drug in the western world, marijuana is a fact of life that’s been sampled by upwards of 100,000,000 Americans. Officially prohibited since 1937, we finally seem on the threshold of a promising moment in our nation’s tortured relationship to the drug. On November 4 alone, Massachusetts decriminalized personal pot use, Michigan became the thirteenth state to allow its medical use, and we elected a president who’s openly admitted to smoking it. National polls and the collective yawn that greeted the Phelps media frenzy indicate that Americans are reconciled to pot’s largely benign role in our culture.

Nevertheless, the mindless prohibition enforcement machine rolls on. In 2007, over 800,000 Americans were arrested for marijuana-related crimes (nearly 90 percent of them for possession), with upwards of 85,000 of them serving sentences in jail or prison. In the U.S., incredibly there are more arrests for marijuana possession each year than for all violent crimes combined. This astounding human toll from enforcing the ban on marijuana costs taxpayers roughly $8 billion each year. And those wasted resources are further compounded by the total capitulation of the massive pot market to an underground economy to gangsters who laugh all the way to the bank.

Amidst a national economic meltdown, California’s budget turmoil is the worst in the nation. After an excruciating three-month deadlock, the dysfunctional California legislature closed a $42 billion deficit by slashing aid to the most vulnerable in the state, raising a host of taxes and fees, and kicking the can down the road with billions more in borrowing. Meanwhile, California’s largest cash crop was studiously avoided in the frenzied search for politically-viable revenue sources. California’s marijuana yield is conservatively valued at $13.8 billion annually – nearly double the value of the state’s vegetable and grape crops combined.

Reformers have long complained that massive marijuana revenues are routinely ceded to criminal syndicates. But that’s how prohibition works, until we come to our senses. The U.S. ended alcohol prohibition just over 75 years ago, when its failure could no longer be ignored. That unfortunate social experiment triggered a host of familiar outcomes – mass imprisonment, unchecked violence, official corruption, and routine violation of the law by millions of Americans. But what finally hastened its demise in 1933 was the Depression itself, as public opinion and a progressive new president insisted the waste of resources and potential revenue had to stop.

The sheer scale of our current fiscal misery demands a similar reality check: Marijuana already plays a huge role in the California and national economies. It’s a revenue opportunity we literally can’t afford to ignore any longer. It’s time to end the unjust charade of marijuana prohibition, tax this flourishing multi-billion dollar market, and redirect criminal justice resources to matters of real public safety. The California Assemblyman has done an enormous service by breaking the silence on this common-sense solution. Now it is time for us to advance the ball. I urge all of you to contact your local state representative and ask, rather Demand, they sponsor legislation to change the draconian laws and free those who are unduly incarcerated in 'for profit' prisons.

Jah Rastafari

twistyman
03-06-2009, 01:43 PM
Look at the satelite companies that also benefit from pot.. Places like Philips, Sylvania.. sell more bulbs.. Companies make HID reflectors/ballasts... the nute industry.. and those are just benefits to none pot specific items... the income potential is great from pot and the Govs will realize it soon....

Jimmyspaz
03-06-2009, 02:20 PM
Well, D'oh,,, I've been saying this for years now, looks like the legislators are finally catching up.

GarryFroker
03-06-2009, 02:26 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jimmyspaz @ Mar 6 2009, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=89770)</div>
Well, D'oh,,, I've been saying this for years now, looks like the legislators are finally catching up.[/b]

Its about the money. If someone can show these lawmakers that weed will make them a bunch of $$$$$ they'll do it.

TorturedZen
03-06-2009, 03:03 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Garry Froker @ Mar 6 2009, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=89772)</div>
Its about the money. If someone can show these lawmakers that weed will make them a bunch of $$$$$ they'll do it.[/b]
I agree Garry. Unfortunately many of those lawmakers are still clinging to absurd morals and old-fashioned values. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

GarryFroker
03-06-2009, 03:06 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TorturedZen @ Mar 6 2009, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=89775)</div>
I agree Garry. Unfortunately many of those lawmakers are still clinging to absurd morals and old-fashioned values. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.[/b]

Oh believe me, the mighty dollar trumps so-called morality and values. Ever heard of a guy named Jimmy Swaggart?

Your Grandfather
03-06-2009, 03:17 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Garry Froker @ Mar 6 2009, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=89776)</div>
Oh believe me, the mighty dollar trumps so-called morality and values. Ever heard of a guy named Jimmy Swaggart?[/b]

Truer words were never spoken.

Hmmm, maybe campaign contributions from the UPS _ United Pot Smokers.

Your Grandfather
03-06-2009, 03:19 PM
I apologize to all for calling Marijuana a 'drug'. Hence forth I will only call it a herb. :im Not Worthy:

TorturedZen
03-06-2009, 07:35 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Your Grandfather @ Mar 6 2009, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=89779)</div>
I apologize to all for calling Marijuana a 'drug'. Hence forth I will only call it a herb. :im Not Worthy:[/b]
I didn't even catch that. Your intentions were good though so...rock on! :Peace:

TheApprentice
03-06-2009, 07:51 PM
very interesting, power to ya bro ! :Thinking:

billybob
03-06-2009, 08:44 PM
this is a law that should be voted on by the people just like a skool tax levy is, not just in the state and federl senate/houses FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE

later billybob

Your Grandfather
03-09-2009, 02:34 PM
this is a law that should be voted on by the people just like a skool tax levy is, not just in the state and federl senate/houses FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE

later billybob

Billy, you don't really believe that 'for the people, by the people' shit do you?
Next you will be telling me that 'my vote counts' and that 'I have a choice'.

/full snark

Blackthumb
03-09-2009, 02:56 PM
One of the legislators biggest arguments is that marijuana is a gateway drug.

I heard a comment from a caller on CNN last week that said, 'Yes! Marijuana is a gateway drug'

I didn't think that was a good comment until I heard the rest of it. The caller goes on to say 'It's a gateway drug because you buy it from a drug dealer. In High School it was harder to find alcohol than it was to find pot. No one wanted to get busted to selling beer to a minor but when it comes to pot, it's already illegal and more harmless than alcohol so when you are buying the pot and he/she has other drugs, you are already breaking the law so why not try what else he has.'

Goes on to say 'If it was legal and had set age limits it would keep younger kids from trying it and moving on to harder drugs by the time they graduate high school'

My own personal experience seems to go a lot like the callers and i'm sure others think the same.

I'm all for legalization, not just so I could smoke and grow my own but also to open up the Hemp industry. People seem to miss that part and I live in a rural area with lots of farmers who can't make a living anymore because their goods have gone way down in value.

If the US opened up to the hemp industry, these small farmers could still be in business running century old farms.

Sorry for the rambling

Your Grandfather
03-09-2009, 11:53 PM
One of the legislators biggest arguments is that marijuana is a gateway drug.

I heard a comment from a caller on CNN last week that said, 'Yes! Marijuana is a gateway drug'



Yeah it is a gateway drug.

First you smoke some weed and then you enter the gateway...doritos first, then onto Oreo's and then finally the super dreaded 'Double Stuff Oreo's' :eek: