View Full Version : Has Obama Made a Good Choice for Drug Czar?
Picasso345
02-12-2009, 01:30 AM
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer is reporting that Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske will likely be Obama's nominee for director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, commonly referred to as the drug czar.
Anybody here from Seattle? Is this guy a Nazi? I'm hopeful Seattle doesn't have a real reactionary as a police Chief, but you never know...
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/399533...likowske11.html (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/399533_kerlikowske11.html)
tom crudes
02-12-2009, 01:47 AM
My choice would be no one but that's wishful thinking...or maybe he should have picked Marion Berry.
I have to investigate this Czar, hopeful he is better than Stalin or Lenin....
StealthPanda
02-12-2009, 01:49 AM
Well heres a little bit of info lol
Chief R. Gil Kerlikowske
R. Gil Kerlikowske is a 36-year law enforcement veteran and was appointed as the Chief of Police for the Seattle Police Department on August 14, 2000. Serving a Seattle population of 592,800 people, he leads about 1,800 men and women to prevent crime, enforce the law and support public safety.
Kerlikowske was the former deputy director for the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Community Oriented Policing Services that provides federal grants to local police agencies in support of community policing services. He served as the police commissioner for Buffalo, New York, where his selection by the mayor became the first outside appointment in 30 years. He also served as the chief of police for two Florida cities, Fort Pierce and Port St. Lucie, of which both cities received the Attorney General’s Crime Prevention Award. He began his law enforcement career in 1972 as a police officer for the St. Petersburg Police in Florida. He also served in the U.S. Army Military Police.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS
Every day the men and women do their part in carrying out the department’s mission to keep Seattle one of the safest in the nation. Led by Kerlikowske, some of those accomplishments include:
Developing a less lethal options program to provide officers with alternatives to lethal force when circumstances warrant.
Emphasizing the importance of officer training and officer safety.
Working with community leaders to create the Seattle Police Foundation in 2002, which has since raised over $1,400,000.
Leading the department in 2003 to its first national accreditation from the Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies.
Establishing a partnership with INTERPOL in 2004.
Partnering with the Seattle Municipal Court and Attorney’s Office to implement a Gun Seizure program in 2005 to increase public and personal safety of domestic violence victims.
Initiating a statewide database in 2006 that officers can access instantly and receive alerts of armed career criminals.
Completing the installation of video cameras in all patrol cars in 2007.
ACHIEVEMENTS & AWARDS
Chief Kerlikowske holds many law enforcement positions and offices. He serves as president of the Major Cities Chiefs Association, an organization composed of 56 largest law enforcement agencies in the U.S. He is a member of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the world’s oldest and largest membership organization of police executives. He is a member of the Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs and the King County Police Chiefs Association. He serves on the board of directors to the Washington State Criminal Justice Training Center.
He is a national and international speaker on law enforcement, addressing nationwide viewers and listeners of major television and radio stations such as ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, BBC, PBS, and NPR; including readers of USA Today, Seattle Times, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Wall Street Journal, Philadelphia Inquirer, and the Washington Times. He has lectured in Budapest, London, Glasgow, Toronto, and throughout the United States. Kerlikowske also maintains an adjunct professor role in state university and colleges teaching law enforcement courses.
Throughout his career, Kerlikowske has received many awards and accolades. He received the “James V. Cotter Award” in 2006 from CALEA for leading three police agencies to achieve national accreditation. He was a Seattle Post-Intelligencer 2004 Jefferson Award nominee for his leadership and compassion in preventing youth crime and violence. He was a 1990 recipient of the “Gary Hayes National Memorial Award for Innovation in Policing,” an award sponsored by the Police Executive Research Forum (PERF), and where he served as the president between 1996 and 1998. He received a one-year fellowship to evaluate police procedures throughout the country from the U.S. Department of Justice in 1985. He was named the Outstanding Military Police Officer Honor Graduate in 1970, and later received a U.S. Army Presidential Service Medal.
COMMUNITY SERVICE
No matter how busy his commitments are with his day-to-day responsibilities, Kerlikowske finds the time to give back to his community. He is chair of the board of directors of Fight Crime: Invest in Kids, which is a national organization that looks into the research and reasons on how to prevent kids from becoming criminals. He also serves on the Seattle/King County Advisory Board of the Salvation Army, feeding the hungry and helping the homeless
EDUCATION
He holds a B.A. and M.A. in criminal justice from the University of South Florida in Tampa, and is a graduate of the National Executive Institute at the Federal Bureau of Investigations Academy in Quantico, Virginia.
tom crudes
02-12-2009, 01:49 AM
http://blog.norml.org/2009/02/11/seattle-p...next-drug-czar/ (http://blog.norml.org/2009/02/11/seattle-post-intelligencer-citys-police-chief-to-be-next-drug-czar/)
StealthPanda
02-12-2009, 01:50 AM
OH NO HES A FLORIDAN!!!
tom crudes
02-12-2009, 04:13 AM
We're fuct LOL
bongspit
02-12-2009, 04:28 PM
didn't seattle de-criminalize marijuana?
tom crudes
02-12-2009, 04:38 PM
Yep, which he opposed but he did not go against policy...but he's still from Nazi Florida. Why do we need a Drug Czar anyways. Isn't the shit scary enough already.
I mean look at this shit
http://blog.mpp.org/wp-content/uploads/200...nel-carrier.jpg (http://blog.mpp.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/m113a1-armored-personnel-carrier.jpg)
wordz
02-12-2009, 05:22 PM
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kochab
02-12-2009, 05:25 PM
this could go good or bad IMO...
If hell take orders then hell listen to obama trying to stop state level raids In MMJ states... If he dosent give a fuck, hell just go with his natural cop instinct saying marijuana is bad and raid everyone he can...
wordz
02-12-2009, 05:28 PM
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kochab
02-12-2009, 05:35 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goober @ Feb 12 2009, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=82171)</div>
maybe, but the drug czar isn't in charge of the dea so there's no tellin if they'll listen[/b]
true but with the czar being the anti drug spokesperson more or less, it may help weigh the odds in our favor if hes a good little doggie...
tom crudes
02-12-2009, 06:56 PM
It's the Drug Czars job to promote lies...I did a post on it somewhere on here, but he has to be anti drug no if ands or buts.
tom crudes
02-12-2009, 07:00 PM
Here it is
http://www.skunkskool.com/index.php?showtopic=2414&hl=
And here is the web page if you all don't feel like investigating
The Drug Czar is required by law to lie
Most people know that the "drug czar" -- the director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) -- is an advocate for the government position regarding the drug war. But not everyone knows that he and his office are mandated to tell lies as part of their Congressional authorization.
According to Title VII Office of National Drug Control Policy Reauthorization Act of 1998: H11225:
Responsibilities. --The Director-- [...]
(12) shall ensure that no Federal funds appropriated to the Office of National Drug Control Policy shall be expended for any study or contract relating to the legalization (for a medical use or any other use) of a substance listed in schedule I of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812) and take such actions as necessary to oppose any attempt to legalize the use of a substance (in any form) that--
1. is listed in schedule I of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812); and
2. has not been approved for use for medical purposes by the Food and Drug Administration;
Now, let's take as a simple example, the issue of medical marijuana. If the government finds that marijuana Has "currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States" or "accepted safety for use of the drug under medical supervision," then by law, marijuana cannot remain in Schedule 1 of the Controlled Substances Act, which would immediately legalize it for medical purposes.
But by law, the drug czar must oppose any attempt to legalize the use (in any form).
Therefore, despite the fact that there is extensive evidence of medical marijuana's safety and effectiveness (including the fact that even the federal government supplies it to patients), and clearly the drug czar would know about all this information, he is required by law to lie about it.
The job description also means that since he must oppose any attempt to legalize, he has no choice but declare that the drug war is working, that legalization would fail, etc., regardless of any... facts.
On April 2, 2003, Congressman Ron Paul wrote a letter to the United States General Accounting Office (GAO) asking for an investigation into ONDCP lobbying activities and their dissemination of "misleading information" (a polite euphemism for "lying")
The GAO responded (pdf):
Finally, apart from considerations of whether any particular law has been violated, you have asked whether the Deputy Director's letter disseminated misleading information in connection with statements relating to the debate over legalization of marijuana. [...]
ONDCP is specifically charged with the responsibility for "taking such actions as necessary to oppose any attempt to legalize the use" of certain controlled substances such as marijuana --- a responsibility which logically could include the making of advocacy statements in opposition to legalization efforts. The Deputy Director's statements about marijuana are thus within the statutory role assigned to ONDCP. Given this role, we do not see a need to examine the accuracy of the Deputy Director's individual statements in detail.
Translation: Since lying is in the job description of the ONDCP, there's no point in bothering to see whether they're telling the truth.
Keep in mind that this requirement to avoid the truth if it interferes with the mission of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy is not limited to the current drug czar, John Walters.
The next drug czar, even if appointed by a President who tepidly supports certain reform measures, will be constrained by the same job description defined by Congress.
(One may also wonder, of course, if the nature of the job attracts the type of person who perversely enjoys the power of lying to the country.)
Turning this travesty around requires more than the right person for the job. The offending phrases must be struck from the authorizing language (or perhaps a future President will simply not bother to appoint a new czar).
Given the frequency that the drug czar is quoted in the press, either much of the media is not aware that he and his staff are required to lie, or they simply feel obligated to print what they say despite the falsehoods.
After all, don't all politicians lie some of the time? Yes, but who else is actually required to do so by law?
Lie (verb)
1. : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2. : to create a false or misleading impression
The ONDCP staff lies all the time (and specific examples abound all over the web), but not all lies are mere simple statements. One of the most noxious lies (and a common type of lie used by drug warriors) is the intent to deceive through the use of conjoined statements. Here's an example of the drug czar lying to me in an Ask the White House session.
Actually Pete, you've got the question exactly backwards. Marijuana is a much bigger part of the American addiction problem than most people [^] teens or adults [^] realize. There are now more teens going into treatment for marijuana dependency than for all other drugs combined.
Note the combination of the two sentences. Marijuana is a bigger addition problem than we realize -- there are more teens going into treatment... This is a specific intent to deceive, since the drug czar knows that the increase of teens in treatment for marijuana has nothing to do with addiction, and everything to do with an increase in governmental referrals. But by placing the two statements together, he attempts to convince me of the lie.
Here's another example of the conjoined statement lie:
But marijuana is far from "harmless" -- it is pernicious. Parents are often unaware that today's marijuana is different from that of a generation ago, with potency levels 10 to 20 times stronger than the marijuana with which they were familiar.
Here's another common ONDCP example:
"Quite a few people think that smoking pot is less likely to cause cancer than a regular cigarette," reads the ad. "You may even have heard some parents say they'd rather their kid smoked a little pot than get hooked on cigarettes. Wrong, and wrong again," it continues. "One joint can deliver four times as much cancer-causing tar as one cigarette." According to ONDCP drug czar John Walters, the idea behind the ads is to "give parents some hard facts that they can use to have informed conversations with their kids about the negative consequences of marijuana. ..."
Sometimes they'll talk about "carcinogens." Same idea. The intent is to deceive -- to convince people that marijuana causes cancer -- something they know is not true, so they fall back on the deception. The lie.
TokesBowls
02-12-2009, 07:30 PM
ok so here is my question :
do you guys really think people who get it medicaly will ever be safe ??
or do you guys think they are still fucked ??
tom crudes
02-12-2009, 07:48 PM
As long as the FEDs don't recognize it, they are fucked.
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