Vintage Haze germ rates?

[TorturedZen]

Has anyone had any problems getting these beans to pop? I germed 6 about a week ago, thinking that the chances for females would be better than just germing 2 or 3.
So.... 4 of them woke up. 2 never did. Undaunted, I germed 3 more. Only 1 cracked this time. It died this morning.

My germination method (obviously flawed somehow):
- Soaked the seeds 24 hrs in half a cup of distilled water with 1 drop Thrive Alive B1
- Transferred seeds about a 1/4" down into rapid rooter plugs with a covered tray and heating mat (set on low)
- Covered the seed holes with fresh soil. Just a wee bit. Enough to cover the seed
- Prepared a 1qt spray bottle with distilled water and 1/4 tsp Liquid Karma.
- Misted the plugs until damp but not drenched
- Those that broke the surface were put under 2x 26w CFLs until true leaves showed....and now under MH.

So out of 9 seeds attempted, only 5 have germed (1 died) leaving me with 4 that are doing ok. Those 4 were transplanted yesterday.
I have 1 single Vintage Haze seed left to be germinated. My original plan for six plants is no longer feasible.

I will make one more attempt with the last seed I have but I'm pretty disappointed with the ratio I've had.

[kochab]

I think that the superthrive(thrive alive or whatever it was) may have had something to do with it....

Im not sure what liquid karma is...Sounds like a nutrient?

[shiva]

I germinated 2 seeds and had both of them crack within 72 hours.

[skunkushybrid]

sorry to hear of your misfortune with the seeds TZ... i seriously doubt that it is the superthrive. Most likely those seeds either wanted to germ too late, or are not viable.

I can send you some extra with your next order if you like... or if you'd rather not order again, i'll send you some anyway.

[TorturedZen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kochab @ Oct 27 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=50270)</div>
I think that the superthrive(thrive alive or whatever it was) may have had something to do with it....

Im not sure what liquid karma is...Sounds like a nutrient?[/b]

From Botanicare: Liquid Karma functions as a growth engine because its high metabolic activity produces a large amount of energy which is immediately transformed to growth. Starting with seed germination and following through to vegetative growth, budding and flowering, the continued use of Liquid Karma ensures optimal plant growth at every stage.

Anyway, maybe you're right Kochab. I'll probably leave the supplementing alone until I have established growth.

[TorturedZen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skunkushybrid @ Oct 27 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=50273)</div>
sorry to hear of your misfortune with the seeds TZ... i seriously doubt that it is the superthrive. Most likely those seeds either wanted to germ too late, or are not viable.

I can send you some extra with your next order if you like... or if you'd rather not order again, i'll send you some anyway.[/b]Thank you Skunk. Your offer is most generous and appreciated. But unless it is sent from 'in-country' here, I'm afraid of customs in my area.

[kochab]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TorturedZen @ Oct 27 2008, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=50275)</div>
From Botanicare: Liquid Karma functions as a growth engine because its high metabolic activity produces a large amount of energy which is immediately transformed to growth. Starting with seed germination and following through to vegetative growth, budding and flowering, the continued use of Liquid Karma ensures optimal plant growth at every stage.

Anyway, maybe you're right Kochab. I'll probably leave the supplementing alone until I have established growth.[/b]


either way whatever it is I can make it up for you. odds are that it was likely just a bad few beans like skunk mentioned.

And skunk it isnt really right for the Skunk house to make that up to him...He recived them from me out of some that I had extra in my own stock.
I have some that just got done a little bit ago and should be dry now. I backcrossed them once again using a reversed male of the strain that was used to make the vintage haze so female rates should be much higher if he would like them:D

[dankforall]

I had a 10 for 10 germination rate......

I just take a paper towel wet it put the seeds inside then put the paper towel into a baggie. thats it nothing else to do

they will pop real fast.................I dont do the soak thing or use any nutes or additives...

jMy Vh seeds were fast peopers....24-48 hrs on all 10..................

This what they look like now that they are a few weeks old.....

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This is the tap root...very healthy seeds.............


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[Flora]

we've tested over a hundred of them when they first went on sale this year, 100% germination. it's possible that the soak might have impaired (we use paper towels), or the seeds could have been stored improperly, or shipping could have gotten them past destructive temperatures (if you got them this summer).

i'm sorry to hear you've had bad luck with them http://www.skunkskool.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[dankforall]

germination is an easy task......there is no reason to make it harder than it is........try the paper towel method on your next batch...if you would like a few BM seeds for free.Pm me and i will send them to you.

[kochab]

either way, your a good dude and dont mind setting you up with some of these to replace those that were lost...
Plus Id like a few of these to go to someone else other than me o2 and flora.... so that we can compare results with them....
so youll have your 6 babies;)

[TorturedZen]

Ok, my last bean went in the paper towel tonite when I got home from work. Crossing my fingers.

And I apologize if I sounded whiney in my initial post. The truth is... I've never had seeds with good genetics and, knowing a little about the lineage of VH, I was a wee bit concerned about what was happening. But I'm more disappointed in my own abilities sometimes than I am with this germ rate.

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either way, your a good dude and dont mind setting you up with some of these to replace those that were lost...
Plus Id like a few of these to go to someone else other than me o2 and flora.... so that we can compare results with them....
so youll have your 6 babies;)[/b]
Thank you bro. And please know it wasn't my intention to get replacements or anything. But since you put it this way, then I'm down for it. But the question becomes...are you prepared to see my results? LOL oh shit I probably just jinxed myself.

[Flora]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TorturedZen @ Oct 28 2008, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=50521)</div>
Ok, my last bean went in the paper towel tonite when I got home from work. Crossing my fingers.

And I apologize if I sounded whiney in my initial post. The truth is... I've never had seeds with good genetics and, knowing a little about the lineage of VH, I was a wee bit concerned about what was happening. But I'm more disappointed in my own abilities sometimes than I am with this germ rate.


Thank you bro. And please know it wasn't my intention to get replacements or anything. But since you put it this way, then I'm down for it. But the question becomes...are you prepared to see my results? LOL oh shit I probably just jinxed myself.[/b]


i thought nothing ill of the post, it was a valid question http://www.skunkskool.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

glad kochab's got you handled, i'm sure skunk and/or i would have done something as well. we stick by our work http://www.skunkskool.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Jimmyspaz]

Try this at another seed bank and see what happens. This is the BEST service I've ever seen!! Kudos to Skunkhouse, Skunky, Flora, and Kochab!!

[kochab]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TorturedZen @ Oct 28 2008, 02:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=50521)</div>
And I apologize if I sounded whiney in my initial post. The truth is... I've never had seeds with good genetics and, knowing a little about the lineage of VH, I was a wee bit concerned about what was happening. But I'm more disappointed in my own abilities sometimes than I am with this germ rate.


Thank you bro. And please know it wasn't my intention to get replacements or anything. But since you put it this way, then I'm down for it. But the question becomes...are you prepared to see my results? LOL oh shit I probably just jinxed myself.[/b]

I know that you werent ment to be complaining for replacments but we like to take care of our customers and such. I wouldent be happy with that result myself and if we wouldent be happy with it, we aim to make it right to where we would be happy if we were in your shoes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jimmyspaz @ Oct 28 2008, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=50629)</div>
Try this at another seed bank and see what happens. This is the BEST service I've ever seen!! Kudos to Skunkhouse, Skunky, Flora, and Kochab!![/b]

thanks jimmy. We try to take care of people as best as we can.
were not here to make a killing, rather more to help http://www.skunkskool.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[dankforall]

The whole reason for www.theskunkhouse.com is to get good genetics to growers worldwide.............and the best part..................they are priced very well under market value. they just think everyone should be able to grow good pot without being taxed on the beans.


I paid almost 300 for 10 seeds in the past.WTF is up with that??????

[TorturedZen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dankforall @ Oct 28 2008, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=50721)</div>
I paid almost 300 for 10 seeds in the past.WTF is up with that??????[/b]

Yeah, that's a bit much for some beans. How was the end result?

[shiva]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TorturedZen @ Oct 28 2008, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=50736)</div>
Yeah, that's a bit much for some beans. How was the end result?[/b]

lol... i bet only as good as a $50 pack from nirvana.

[kochab]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Boodah @ Oct 28 2008, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=50740)</div>
lol... i bet only as good as a $50 pack from nirvana.[/b]


yep. go look up oa strain called "Big bad john" was almost $300 for 10 beans that were auto flowering!
I was like what the hell makes them so special....and couldent see anything. LOL

[dankforall]

I end result was not very good.............I was young, stupid, and very inexperienced at that time.

[Flora]

200-300 price ranges are generally set on what they want to charge per plant. ie, a breeder with a strain may know he/she has 75% female from a batch of seeds, and could then say that 9 of 12 seeds would be money plants. if the plants yield an oz or more, then you're talking 22.50 per plant at 300$ for 12 seeds. 22.50 isn't bad for a quarter ounce of medical grade pot, let alone what the plants could be worth (medically speaking) for a long term, if one chose to keep a mother.

our prices are set low so the average joe has the opportunity to attain great genetics. i know i can't afford 300$ for every ten seeds i use.... http://www.skunkskool.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[MedGarden420]

Your prices seem quite fair to me given what other seed companies are charging.

[kochab]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flora @ Oct 29 2008, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=50997)</div>
200-300 price ranges are generally set on what they want to charge per plant. ie, a breeder with a strain may know he/she has 75% female from a batch of seeds, and could then say that 9 of 12 seeds would be money plants. if the plants yield an oz or more, then you're talking 22.50 per plant at 300$ for 12 seeds. 22.50 isn't bad for a quarter ounce of medical grade pot, let alone what the plants could be worth (medically speaking) for a long term, if one chose to keep a mother.

our prices are set low so the average joe has the opportunity to attain great genetics. i know i can't afford 300$ for every ten seeds i use.... http://www.skunkskool.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/b]


also time working with the strain is accounted for into pricing lots of the time.

I just couldent see $300 for 10 seeds of an AUTO strain which could be done in about a year and a half...Especially When a mother plant of the strain cannot be kept.

[shiva]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (powhitetrashomie @ Oct 29 2008, 04:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=51000)</div>
Your prices seem quite fair to me given what other seed companies are charging.[/b]


wait till my strains get in there... thinking of charging $300 a seed... for you though po' a special deal, 2 seeds for $500 http://www.skunkskool.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

don't all pm me at once, this is a one time offer for po'... the rest o' you mugs can pay the full 600 http://www.skunkskool.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[kochab]

LOL @ boodah

[Jimmyspaz]

Well the most expensive seeds I've bought were the Chronic ( around $300.00) but, in fairness to Serious Seeds, they were 15 not 10, and I got 22 in my pack, 16 females. I'm still growing it 2 years later. So,as a one time purchase I could justify it. For auto-flowering strains where you can't make a mother for cloning though it seems excessive. I've been recommending Skunkhouse to people I know looking for seeds, they sometimes seem dubious that good genetics can be so inexpensive, and would actually prefer to pay more. People are funny sometimes.

[shiva]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jimmyspaz @ Oct 29 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=51098)</div>
I've been recommending Skunkhouse to people I know looking for seeds, they sometimes seem dubious that good genetics can be so inexpensive, and would actually prefer to pay more. People are funny sometimes.[/b]

This is an excellent point... and it is an ethic i use in real life. i don't buy fakes and only buy brand name foods etc. as i believe that we need to pay for quality.

however over the years of growing expensive genetics i have learned that you can pay through the nose and grow a load of shit, and you can buy cheap nirvana seeds and grow perfection.

[kochab]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jimmyspaz @ Oct 29 2008, 09:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=51098)</div>
Well the most expensive seeds I've bought were the Chronic ( around $300.00) but, in fairness to Serious Seeds, they were 15 not 10, and I got 22 in my pack, 16 females. I'm still growing it 2 years later. So,as a one time purchase I could justify it. For auto-flowering strains where you can't make a mother for cloning though it seems excessive. I've been recommending Skunkhouse to people I know looking for seeds, they sometimes seem dubious that good genetics can be so inexpensive, and would actually prefer to pay more. People are funny sometimes.[/b]


id say you got a good deal on them then. 16 females when you bought a 15 pack...? Cant beat that for results:D

as far as people buying cheaper seeds, they are afraid of buying something from people that they think may offer sketchy quality.
Once word gets out about us and some reviews get around saying that were a good company then people wont be so apt to scoff @ them. Itll happen all in due time. http://www.skunkskool.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Dejavu]

I agree with purchasing the brand name stuff most of the time because it is often more widely distributed than the small name guys and it is easier to find consistency. I havent used the skunk seed bank personally only nirvana wich I will not order from again, but I will come up with some cash and patience soon for some skunkhouse seeds. The skunk bank is the only seed bank that I would reccomend right now because I have not heard any legitimate complaints about it since it has started. I think I remember going onto the site when it sold two differnt kinds of seeds and now it is up to eight I believe.

[kochab]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dejavu @ Oct 29 2008, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=51162)</div>
I agree with purchasing the brand name stuff most of the time because it is often more widely distributed than the small name guys and it is easier to find consistency. I havent used the skunk seed bank personally only nirvana wich I will not order from again, but I will come up with some cash and patience soon for some skunkhouse seeds. The skunk bank is the only seed bank that I would reccomend right now because I have not heard any legitimate complaints about it since it has started. I think I remember going onto the site when it sold two differnt kinds of seeds and now it is up to eight I believe.[/b]


Ha ha Yes @ a point there was only 2 strains in there. LOL
Maybe one day well get big and you can say taht you knew us in the beginning. LMAO
So far to date all of the orders have made it out and to their destination as far as I know of....I know that one arrived damaged but it was handled within 5 days of receiving the unfortunate news.

Thanks for the good words though dejavu:D

[skunkushybrid]

yes, and we'll be expanding further in the new year and should rise quickly up to 15 strains by march... tbh i expect there to be 20 around that time. where we'll probably drop certain strains to bring in new and fresh flavours.

the ball is rolling, and will gather momentum. it doesn't help my laziness in getting theskunkhouse into a workable site again.

[Flora]

yeah skunky, get a move on will ya?

http://www.skunkskool.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[greenacres]

<span style="color:#008000">The liquid karma is a supplement so dont use it by itslelf.

i use that line of stuff all the time and my first experience was horrible, guy sold me that stuff and didn`t ask what nutes i was using and i didn`t know any better so i gave it just that and it locked me up as there was no nutes to drink with it.
that stuff is like a fulvic or humic acid,

here`s their link on it

http://www.americanagritech.com/product/pr...mp;pro_id_pk=30 (http://www.americanagritech.com/product/product_detail.asp?ID=1&pro_id_pk=30)
</span>

[skunkushybrid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flora @ Oct 29 2008, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> (index.php?act=findpost&pid=51276)</div>
yeah skunky, get a move on will ya?

http://www.skunkskool.com/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/b]


i'll devote a couple of hours to it tomorrow, i promise. finish the write ups and get some interactivity going on so people can actually place orders etc.

[kochab]

Hey zen Im going to have to get those out to you after I get back from court buddy. Sorry for the delay Ive had a couple things come up that I have to get taken care of before I go out and Ive only got 2 days to get it done in.

Im sorry bro itll be done the day I get back, you have my word.